Islamic Terror and Poverty

I was reading this article the other day in The Hindu. It was about Kasab and is a brief of how he went on to become a Terrorist.

One line of the article caught my attention.

Born on July 13, 1987, at the small village of Faridkot in Pakistani Punjab’s Okara district, Kasab was born into a landless peasant family.

A question began to be born in my mind. Does Islamic Terror really exists because of poverty?

I did some Googling and found this particular titbit.

The perpetrators of the attacks on September 11th 2001 that killed thousands of unarmed civilians largely came from Saudi Arabia, a very wealthy oil country which has never been under European colonial rule but is itself the cradle of one of the world’s most brutal imperial traditions, as noted by the gifted author V. S. Naipaul.

Mohamed Atta has been identified by the FBI as the pilot of American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center in New York City during the September 11, 2001 attacks. Atta was trained as an architect and pursued a master’s degree in city planning at the Hamburg University of Technology.

Not just that. The recent Indian Mujahideen men who were caught were Doctors, Engineers, Journalists… All highly educated men, willing to murder, even their fellow citizens and neighbours.

So globally, and locally in India, there are Muslim men who seem to turn to Terror.

Why is that? Does it have to some form of injustice meted out to them and their families? Or, is it due to poverty? But, them being Doctors and Engineers and Journalists does not seem much like they have suffered injustice and/or they are poor.

Lets park that IM issue for a bit..

What about the 9/11 Terrorists? As the article suggests they were not poor, nor were they ever were; nor were they illiterate, like Kasab. They didn’t even come from a country which was colonised to suggest they were carrying out some old-world grudge against the Western powers.

All incidents of hate Terrorism? What about cases like Anders Behring Breivik, who killed innocent people as form of protest against Europe’s growing multiculturalism? He was a rational man, who committed horrible crimes.

Yet, Breivik is a flash in the pan. Consider this.. There are approximately 2 Billion Christians in the world, followed by 1.5 Billion Muslims. There are also a Billion  Hindus.

How many Breiviks does the Christian world produce in a year? And, how many Mohammed Attas the Muslim world produces in a year? How many Terrorists ,or people who exhibit extremist tendencies, does the Hindu world manufacture? 

Clearly, poverty has nothing to do with violent behaviour. Neither does it have to do with the country of origin. Atta’s cause and Kasab’s cause was the same – “Islam”. The Terrorists who blew up trains in London on 7/7 too said in their tape that this had to do with the glory of Islam and that the Western world was conspiring against the Muslims and attacking them. They didn’t associate themselves with the country they lived and/or were born in, but with their Religions, either converted to or born to, exactly similar to the case of Indian Mujahideen.

Let us go back to India’s partition..

Muslim League comes up with the idea that Muslims are indeed a separate entity and deserve a separate state(Two Nation Theory). They took most of the seats in the elections with their idea that Islam is in danger in India. Atta and Kasab and Jinnah, people of different eras, nationalities and income levels, justified extreme violence – all in the name of Islam.

There seems to be greater chance of a Muslim resorting to Terror than a person from any other Religion. Saying things like this might  not be politically correct, but the trend disturbingly points to this. Admit this in a popular newspaper like The Hindu and you will be inundated with letters calling you Fascist. They would probably remind you of Hitler and his propaganda against the jews; and, warn you against painting other Religions in bad light. I agree with everything they would say, because I’ve thought of such things myself.

Now, back to IM and Islamic Terror in India. How would India’s Muslims take it if were you to point out this dangerous trend? I know I would not be happy and in stead of seeing the truth in them, see the one who is presenting such ideas as a fanatic, who is doing this to malign Islam and Muslims. Many already think the people being caught for as IM members are being framed by the security forces. A sort of victim mentality is at work.

Who is right, here? People who see Islamic Terror spreading without any proper cause or justification and advice caution? Or, people who want to be politically correct all the time, even if it means not looking at reality and obvious trends?

I will not attempt to answer these questions as I’ve not found a convincing answer. The day I do, you will hear from me…

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14 responses to “Islamic Terror and Poverty

  1. why_zee

    Informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear islam. The twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. Even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

    Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.

    The evil koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.

    Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

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    • I feel a little differently about it all.

      We should not target the people who are members of the cult, but the ideas of the cult. Education seems to have failed, only modern thoughts are the way out to stop this non-sense.

      One other problem is the people who do follow such ideologies treat such attacks on the idea as a personal attack on them, which further enrage them. This happened recently with the video on Youtube which talked about Islam. It might have been poorly made and worthy of ignoring, but the Muslim world got enraged and all hell broke loose.

      I believe the way out is asking probing questions and let the followers answer them. If we are on the side of the truth, we will win this war of ideas; the modern, progressive, tolerant idea will win.

  2. JC

    94% of terrorist attacks in America since 1980 were carried out by non-Muslims, mostly Latinos or Communists according to the FBI

    99% of terrorist attacks carried out in Europe since 2005 were done by non-Muslims according to Europol.

    You need to get your facts straight.

    • Yesterday, a man was beheaded in the middle of London by a couple of guys shouting “Allah O Akbar”.

      Last week around a 100 people have died in Iraq owing to sectarian clashes, taking the total upto 370 this past month alone!

      Two weeks ago 3 people died in bomb blasts in Boston, set off by people of the same community in question.

      About a month and a half ago, bomb went off in my hometown Bangalore near a BJP office set off by angry Muslims. 2 months ago a blast happened in Hyderabad killing 10, including women and children, by Indian Mujahideen. The year before that it was in Varanasi(a Hindu holy town. Imagine if Mecca had been bombed by a few Hindus to get the scale of outrage in India. Yet there were no blow-backs from the Hindu community).

      In Jan and Feb this year 2 blasts ripped in Pakistan, killing well more than a hundred. During the recent polls there were reports upto 500 were killed for various reasons by a variety of people. But, most of them succumbed to the guns and bombs of the TTP, an offshoot of the Taliban, determined to bring Sharia into Pakistan, and who consider Democracy as un-Islamic.

      You talk of statistics from 1994, I presented you some real life incidences from the top of my head in my own country and others.

      When you say what you say you are going deeper into denial and just delaying the inevitable – the realization that there is something inherently wrong with islam.

      Although other communities have their bad eggs, one community has the highest uncanny propensity to produce them at a rate much higher than any other.

      I have my facts completely correct. But, do you? Yours seem outdated.

      • JC

        My statistics are not from 1994, in fact the FBI statistics are from 2005, and the Europol stats are from 2008 or later.

        As far as the incident in London is concerned, I would call it an isolated incident; many Americans troops have killed innocent people in iraq and Afghanistan and showed no remorse for it, nobody connects their actions to Christianity, even though most Americans are quite religious.

        I’m not justifying nor condoning any terrorism done in the name of “Islam”, all I’m saying is anybody can claim to be a Muslim if they want, but it’s their actions that define them as one, and in my opinion based on my interpretation of islam, none of these terrorists/so called “Jihadists” are true Muslims.

        These men are no more Muslim than Eric Randolph is Christian.

        Apart from 9/11, the first WTC attack and Boston, Muslims aren’t responsible for any other attacks on American soil, many Christians such as Eric Randoplh(He attacked the Atlanta games, blew up 2 abortion clinics, and a lesbian nightclub for his Catholic faith) Timothy McVeigh, Michael Wade Page(the Sikh Temple shooter), he claimed he was fighting a ‘racial holy war’,Guy Fawkes the IRA, the ETA, the KKK and the “deranged shooters” have caused more damage in the west than “Islamic” terrorism has.

        Sectarian violence isn’t unique to the Muslim world, look at Ireland, up until the late 90s there were tensions between Catholics and Protestant, and even today Ulster is ground zero for Catholic/Protestant tensions, there are other countries where Catholics and protestants have gotten together well.

        Now I don’t know much about Hinduism since it isn’t a global religion and most people barely know anything about it, but what I do know is that your beloved Tamil Tigers were Hindus and they were the ones that invented suicide bomb belts and pioneered suicide terrorist attacks.

        The Taliban can claim what ever they want, but they aren’t the guardians of islam, an they finance their so called holy war with drug money, even though the buying,selling and production of drugs is forbidden in islam and suicide and murder are forbidden in islam as well.

        “Although other communities have their bad eggs, one community has the highest uncanny propensity to produce them at a rate much higher than any other.”

        You know what you did there? You orientalized Islam, you basically used the argument White supremacists use to claim that Black people are innately violent and therefore shouldn’t be treated as human.

        Here’s a blog written by an American non-Muslim blogger about whether Islam is more violent than other religions(it’s a good informative blog about race as well) and this blogger has a lot more credibility than you.

        http://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/are-christians-more-violent-than-muslims/

        If you don’t know what ‘Orientalism’ is then you gotta re-educate yourself:

        http://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/orientalism/

      • JC

        I forgot to mention the Spanish/Portuguese inquisitions, and the Genocides in North America, the Atlantic Slave trade, the genocide in Australia and the great Tasmanian genocide, Apartheid in South Africa, colonialism all over over the world, the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaski, the Viet Nam war and many other atrocities, I believe you think Muslims did all of that.

        I’m not excusing ‘islamic’ terrorism, I’m just setting the record straight.

      • Your arguments are pretty standard from the Islamist manual.

        Your arguments can summed up as:
        1) “They are worse!”. Basically saying we are bad, but other are far worse!
        2) “Why don’t you blame everything on us, even the extinction of Sabre Tooth Tigers”. This is called obfuscating the issue, by bringing in irrational arguments, which actually divert the issue in hand. The person(not me) will spend time on explaining what is, what is not, at the end people like you win.
        3) Blaming others for one’s action. Saying “US did this, UK did that”. This is pure Justification. Again, diverts the topic from what is discussed to other people’s actions.
        4) Use other people’s words to justify your world view.

        I’ll only say this: You are not fooling anyone! You might win a few admirers within your own community for so admiringly defending your faith, but people and Governments can easily look through all this.

        If one follows your arguments US should NOT scrutinize Muslim visa applications. But, they will(even though they will never admit it), because they know YOU are debating, trying to win an argument, rather than deal with the issue, to look at reality. They know if they don’t a Terrorist like Faisal Shehzad will sneak up on them. They know if they DON”T monitor the Mosques OR if they start monitoring ALL the Religious spots they’ll be wasting their time.They know this, as well as you and me, that the problem is from one particular community only.

        Same here in India. Politicians say all kinds of rosy things to Muslims, but we all know who are a threat, who is not. We know where to look, whose phones to tap.

        Even China, your(assuming you are a Pakistani, as most who come here are Pakistani) friend, scrutinizes your visas for the fear of Uighur Terrorists getting support from Pakistan.

        Stop trying to win debating points. Of course the Muslims are not responsible for every bad thing which occurs in the world. Of course other Religions are not models of peace and non-violence. Of course there will be Terrorist attacks by other communities as well. But, at the end what matters is the perspective.

        The Muslim world and people like you refuse to admit the wrongs. In fact, it’ll not harm us, the non-Muslims, but your own people. UK, US, EU and the rest have the option of closing their doors. US has exited Iraq, will exit Afghanistan. India and China, where the bulk of the populations of the world lives, will continue to grow and prosper. It is the ordinary man in Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Mali,etc who will suffer.

        My advice to you is: Religion is over-rated. Not all Religions are the same, some are more Political than others, hence more violent. Islam is the most political of them all, even more than Christianity was once. So, stop defending it so much. Come out and see the complete picture. Not for my own good, but for yours.

        Either you admit this and move on or keep on giving arguments, which at the end of the day, nobody will really act on.

        The choice is yours.. 🙂

  3. JC

    I never defended ‘Islamic’ terrorism, i was just setting the record straight, because you were implying that Islam is violent and that Muslims are backward and violent people

    I am personally very self critical of my own people.

    You just got all pissy cause you can’t counter any of my points, you just stick with Islamohating.

    I don’t have the time or the will to respond to your comment.

    You think like a white Supremacist and they view you as a dirty n*gger.

    • “you were implying that Islam is violent and that Muslims are backward and violent people”

      That was not my point. My point was more subtle. Each Religion has an idea behind it, which even varies across geographies. But, there is an overlapping interpretation among different regions of the same idea. That overlap is very clear in Islam and there is a very big violent component to it.

      I hate any ideology which divides man. Most Religions do that, even my own, but in different ways.

      Your arguments are noted, but the motive behind it is also clear and hence, I never bothered to counter it. I know I’ll be wasting my time.

      You label what I say as, in your words,”Islamohating”, but the whole world is doing that now.

      If you have a Muslim name and if you travel a lot, you will be subjected to humiliating procedures at the airports. I am sure you know what I am talking about.

      The West and other Democratic countries might not say the obvious because its not politically expedient nor is it politically correct. But, they are not fools. They will not compromise when it comes to security, when it comes to people’s life. They will not say “We should be fair and spy on Hindu Temples too”. They are pretty clear on which community to keep checks on, on who to do background checks.

      And, oh I was just reading how the top 2 most hated countries in the world are, surprise, surprise – Muslim!!!

      http://tribune.com.pk/story/553830/pakistan-second-most-unpopular-country-in-the-world-poll/

      “You think like a white Supremacist and they view you as a dirty n*gger.”

      Where did I exhibit any Racist tendencies? Could you please quote?

      Thats the thing – you can’t say Politically Incorrect thing, even if it is the truth. You will be labeled as a Racist or a warmonger.

      What I say is also said by Salman Rushdie, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens,etc. Are they white Supremacists too?

      • JC

        “You label what I say as, in your words,”Islamohating”, but the whole world is doing that now.”

        Have you traveled the world?the internet is NOT the world!

        “If you have a Muslim name and if you travel a lot, you will be subjected to humiliating procedures at the airports. I am sure you know what I am talking about.”

        Yes Muslims are profiled, but it’s not just Muslims but any brown-skinned person or even a white(convert) person with an Arabic name.

        “The West and other Democratic countries might not say the obvious because its not politically expedient nor is it politically correct. But, they are not fools. They will not compromise when it comes to security, when it comes to people’s life. They will not say “We should be fair and spy on Hindu Temples too”. They are pretty clear on which community to keep checks on, on who to do background checks.”

        Of course not, Muslims are the new Communists, during the cold war many Eastern Europeans were spied upon because they were assumed to be communists, it was called the ‘red scare’.

        During the 2nd world war Japanese Americans were sent to internment camps, and many centuries ago Catholics were seen with suspicion in Europe.

        African-Americans and many minorities in America are racially profiled.

        Muslims have replaced all the old groups and in the future somebody might take our place.

        You’re whining about political correctness despite being a brown-skinned guy, if you wanna get rid of political correctness then you should hear how white Supremacists view Indians and Hindus.

        You might be labelled as a war monger because your blog seems to have been an excerpt from Brevieks Manifesto, and he quoted hateful people like you.

        If a Muslim had quoted an Islamist fanatic than he would have probably been kept under tabs or arrested yet Islamohater get away with inciting hatred and inspiring hate crimes against Muslims.

      • “Muslims are the new Communists”

        You are actually right. Muslims ARE the new Communists. I agree with you that some other group will replace them, but I don’t see that happening in my lifetime.

        “white Supremacists view Indians and Hindus.”

        I am wondering why you would say what you did. Is it some notion in your head that I value some white guy’s opinions over my own? What makes you think I don’t know the language of hate? How will what a bigot thinks of me affect me?

        Possibly its true for you. Possibly you do value, in some deep corner of your conscience, the value of others opinion. You are trying to project that craving for attention and acceptance onto others, in this case – me.

        I am concerned with the truth. The truth is Islam is a factory which churns out people who are willing to butcher people. If a Terror attack happens in the US, UK or India, the greatest chance(high chance doesn’t mean its a certainty) that it’ll be committed by a Muslim.

        “he quoted hateful people like you.”

        A follower of Gandhi and Nehru is hateful! You have not, I imagine, read my pieces on apostles of non-violence.

        I don’t see things with a bias. I call it like it is. I said nothing hateful, nor will ever. Even if I did I’ll be ready to retract.

        But, pointing out Islam resembles a regressive ideology, which is leading to violence among its followers the world over is not hate speech, but the truth. I listed above a few examples from the past 6 months alone. You didn’t contest me on a single one of them(because it was the obvious, verifiable truth), you went on the to call me names, by equating what is happening now with historical precedences, etc.

        In the hearts of hearts, you know the truth as I do. You probably are a critic of your own community, more than I am of yours. Since, I am an Indian, a Hindu at that(your rants of what white-supremacists opine about India and Hinduism are a peak into your consciences) and am saying Islam is the least non-violent ideology among all Religions and has the highest cases of violent behaviour, you cannot stand it. “How can a Hindu say all this to my Islam”, you think..

        You bring in all the classic reasons and justifications. You played a victim, you blamed others for the present woes, you tried to distract the conversation by trying outright deceit, you tried to malign what you consider is close to the opposite person’s heart(in my case, you thought, it was India and Hinduism).

        You are not angry I called Islam that. Well, you are, but what incensed you this much is that I pointed out how the entire world is against it and shares my opinion and has a bad opinion about it. That you couldn’t tolerate and tried to rationalise by calling Muslims the “new Communists”.

        My point is simple: People are not fools. If you were given the charge of New York city, would you remove surveillance from Mosques? Of course not! You are not a fool!

        You are just a pure, class-A Hypocrite!

    • Hey buddy, you were obsessed about what White Supremacists think about others. You were pretty proud of living in the West and everything. I hope you didn’t read today’s WSJ.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578503613890263762.html

      I’ll quote this guy for your benefit.

      “Amazingly, given the litany of Islamist attacks—from the 9/11 nightmare in America and the London bombings of July 7, 2005, to the slayings at Fort Hood in Texas in 2009, at the Boston Marathon last month and now Woolwich—some continue to deny any link between Islam and terrorism. ”

      “In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing and the Woolwich murder, it was good to hear expressions of horror and sympathy from Islamic spokesmen, but something more is desperately required: genuine recognition of the problem with Islam.”

      “Of course, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists or sympathetic to terrorists. Equating all Muslims with terrorism is stupid and wrong. But acknowledging that there is a link between Islam and terror is appropriate and necessary.”

      This is where the Political Incorrectness I pointed out comes into play: “I don’t blame Western leaders. They are doing their best to keep the lid on what could become a meltdown of trust between majority populations and Muslim minority communities.”

      Its almost as I had written it. When are you going to finally acknowledge that there is a link between Islam and all that violence happening around the world?

      Even if you don’t agree with me, read the article. Don’t answer those question being raised in the article for me, but answer for yourself.

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